", I've also noticed that if I try listening to music and my brain is being very picky with my playlist, then I know that the day will probably be filled with apathy and anhedonia.[2]. I wish I could know. That is the only long term subtle 'sign' I can remember. I feel like I'm becoming too slow to be a proficient coder, and I lack the people skills to move to management. Today, there are no disease-modifying treatments, and there is no way to prevent or cure FTD. A birth? 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 states: Love is patient,love is kind. I'm just hallucinating this from your comment upthread, but a requirement like "making sure audit logs are kept" is the sort of thing I mean. I can feel it.". It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. I do have medical quirks, like I cant tolerate opioids (they worsen pain and make me vomit), and Im a carrier of a whole bunch of degenerative diseases (thanks, inbred aristo dad), and when I had surgery I was weakened from years of still mysterious illness - they thought my GB was the root cause, but no - stress - leaving tech fixed me. We can feel the limits of our own thinking when we reach something which is logically impossible. Unit testing: since databases tend to be stateful, the very concept of unit testing is a bit of an alien one. This seems much harder to do for stored procedures. Fond memories and expressions of sympathy may be shared at Ethel Lee Holloway, age 79, of Palmdale, California passed away on Friday, July 16, 2021. Dementia and schizophrenia are present in my family as well and caring for those in the later stages has been really hard. Lewis: "The fashion of this world passes away. It is unusual, but we're in agreement that this is due mostly due to soft and orthogonal issues. We don't have that perspective, so we think we suffer, pointlessly. I also noticed a dramatic change immediately after he took time off for his wedding/honeymoon. Lee Holloway, 83 of Cumming, GA passed away August 1, 2022. Everyone in the whole process at Cedars was awesome. He was born on December 4, 1946 to Leander and Corina . The gambit worked, and all of their existing customers suddenly got encryption. Meanwhile, everything it got right will fade into the background as you assume that any system that had been built 'properly' (i.e. But I do see what you're asking how God seems to step in more often in the OT. It's a very strange thing. They are insanely verbose by today's standards, and doing anything typically requires several times more code than the equivalent in most modern languages (your mileage may vary with different database engines!). He was preceded in death by his parents. Sandra did a wonderful piece in capturing Lee, his family, his work, and his degeneration. IIRC "dementia" is literally just a description of symptoms. The two also co-created Project Honey Pot, an open-source community that still tracks online fraud and abuse. Upson recounts Lees childhood years growing up in Silicon Valley and having a father who worked in Apple exposed Lee to the latest technologies of his time, and plenty of videogames: As a gamer, [Lee] was legendary among his friends for being able to read a complex situation, rapidly adjust strategies, and win match after match. Take YouTube as an example. West Columbia, TX 77486). My dad had a big family, and he's said that his younger brother always showed the most promise, growing up. Click. Wrap the real sproc (well, the set of real sprocs, since old and new will sometimes coexist) with a wrapper sproc that probabilistically directs to the appropriate working sproc based on a table value (or anything else the sproc can read) that is updated to reflect the current stage in the conversion process, including any monitoring-based reversals. Ive never met an engineer like him. I guess you're using the word genius ironically, but I've also seen such things be radical in the sense that they're built in a way that no one else would have done, yet it ends up working perfectly for the business and being far more successful than anyone would have predicted. Humans are the ones who have created such an overwhelming and toxic physical environment and disconnected social one. But memory is unreliable. The risk of a heart attack also significantly increases when white blood cell count gets high as their presence fuels inflammatory processes in obstructed blood vessels. Makes sense in retrospect. Also, I imagine Postgrest is nice for internal admin apps? But that inconceivability is exactly what the original argument is asserting - it's a thing beyond human conceptualization. There could be a table 'Some_table_view_v2' that shows how that table would look, after an upcoming data migration. Same platform but with new and improved features. Ehlers Danlos and POTS often go hand in hand as well Im convinced that the genetic effects that provide us with extreme visualization and problem solving skills are related to this particular failure mode, where schizophrenia is also common in the family tree. There's definitely a relationship between physical health and mental health, and I'm guessing that physical health is an area that a lot of us software devs are neglecting. He said, No, no, it does. . I keep hearing about other programmers experiencing similar issues (yourself included) and I wonder if the nature of what we do somehow damages our brain in some capacity and we just don't know it yet. I agree with you that this won't always be the case, and at some point, brain dead is pretty much brain dead like in the case of survivors of gunshot wounds to the head for example. He was "the resident genius, the guy who could focus for hours, code pouring from his fingertips while death metal blasted in his headphones.". A previvor is someone who's survived an illness that they haven't even had yet. Many of us will experience exactly the same with a beloved one ( probably a parent, maybe a significant other). You live in the shadow of an illness that you haven't had yet. Maybe it's optimized, but so would be a giant executable written in assembly. The story captures so much about the Lee I knew so well. There're a lot of risk and uncertainty trade-offs, and everyone reacts to things differently due to their genetics and what they're suffering from, but nootropic substances could potentially help here. He reminded me too much of my ex-husband, also a high level programmer, and his sleep habits and growing apathy and irritability while we were together (though he might point to me as the cause). I had a T1 laminectomy to correct this. Lee Holloway, 83 of Cumming, GA passed away August 1, 2022. I have been sedated a few times for minor procedures, propofol, I think, with no issues, and Ive had a general once, for a laparoscopic cholecystectomy - about as trivial as abdominal surgery comes, only a few hours under. Best of luck to Lee and his family. Sometimes the conclusion may be right, but its magnitude, impact, or applicability are grossly overestimated. It reminds me that whenever someone comes hard at you, they probably need more help than you do. My suspicion would be that the general anesthetic is the primary cause. He was the master architect whose vision had guided what began as a literal sketch on a napkin into a tech giant with some 1,200 employees and 83,000 paying customers. So my theory is that, in myself, something is either blocking D1 and D2 receptors or I've "used up" my dopamine reserves in the brain my continually slamming them with YouTube, gaming, and general computer use. > The neurologists delivered their verdict: He appeared to have a textbook case of frontotemporal dementiaknown by the shorthand FTD. A look? Thanks for sharing that. As Dr. Ian Carrol of Stanford's research has indicated, they seem to be highly misdiagnosed/undiagnosed as well. For example: What if the new version of the sproc succeeds, but the data it returns causes the application code to fail in some way? https://www.mdedge.com/neurology/migraineresourcecenter/arti No idea why I currently can't find a non walled version of the first link. Otherwise, it would likely give me more anxiety than useful information. I am just not present in any situation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage. The five justices who chose not to are still seated. More importantly, on a daily basis, the technical decisions Lee made, and the engineering team he built, are fundamental to the business we have become.". This giftedness often coincides with the ability to make many parallel what if thoughts and identify the most probable. Wired did a sobering, melancholic, and a pretty poignant piece on his heartbreaking story which I encourage everyone to read. In March 2017, the Holloways visited a neurologist, who seemed skeptical that the young, healthy, and communicative Lee had a neurological issue, Upson writes. My Dad was diagnosed with that in the past year, (after obviously struggling for a while), and declined rapidly. "An elegant weapon, for a more civilised age". This has legs since I game a lot, sit at a pc a lot, and browse the web constantly. http://postgrest.org redirect to: http://postgrest.org/en/v6.0/ which is not the latest version (& not https), maybe you'd like to redirect to: https://postgrest.org/en/v7.0.0/ instead). I actually live quite far away from Cedars, in Illinois, but forwarded my local medical records to Dr. Schievink after a lot of online research. Dopamine is the fuel. The diagnosis devastated their family, and has been followed by decades of difficult treatment and heartbreak. I haven't interacted with Dr. Carroll, but my general impression of Dr. Schievink was very positive. I'm not positive that the 2 Kings example is exactly free will being removed, because Elijah asks God for what happens, and God does respond to prayer (praying with faith is another issue). Was diagnosed with ADHD, low-dose long-form Adderall has basically reversed my symptoms, which from my understanding involves dopamine or dopamine receptors. but Im a couple years into my software career and have noticed a drastic shift in my cognitive abilities. You can't conceive of any future "knowledge" or state of being or most broadly, "configuration of reality" which could retroactively justify or "make right" proven and real human suffering already suffered. Lots of history on this topic, here is an interesting overview in regards to the Lisbon Earthquake[1]: I'm sorry you had to watch that happen to someone on the long decline. Rinse, repeat. I like the way you think. IMO, it's exploiting a very primitive system: chance (randomness) --> stimulates effort --> get reward. In his free spare time, Lee is learning Russian and teaching his son Linux. His last laugh? In practice, the aversion to stored funcs/procs mostly arises from political concerns. Starting here is probably a good choice. In the end, we imaged his brain and diagnosed him with frontotemporal dementia. Mr. At that time he was still quite active and very interested in his work. Regardless of who you were and how rich and famous you might be, all what matters is what you'll be. Lee Holloway, one of three founders of the website security and performance company Cloudflare, was diagnosed with behavioral variant FTD in 2017 at age 36. Exactly. This was devastating to read. Hopefully there'll eventually be a day where consciousness can be hosted in a much more safe way, for both biological and total immortality. > Let's say that when you deploy, you want to direct 1% of traffic to the new code, then 5%, then 25%, then 50%, and finally 100%. But some are, and the bias in our industry is extremely strong toward perceiving them as nightmares. I imagine that was a challenge for those close to Lee. Indeed, in the first of just three tweets he has ever published, he wrote simply, Pondering the nature of web exploits.. I'm not a doctor, and there very well may be some other connection, but my sense in this case was the routine of work actually allowed him to hold the effects of the disease off and, at those times when he didn't have it, those effects accelerated. Really shows you about how little (if any) free will exists. The ability to make strong abstract connections transforming into misassociations? My sense was it was something else in Lee's case: a change in his routine. Especially considering that stored procedure languages are fragmented between different databases; you don't just pay the cost of having to change the stored procedures when changing databases, you are also paying for the fact that it is harder to build automated tools to analyze the stored procedures, because the API for each database is going to be different. The weird thing about the disease is its not like Alzheimers where you realize youre forgetting things. I'm in the same boat. I'm so sorry for your loss. He used to come give me a hug and say, I love you, Mom, she says. Ingram FuneralHome & Crematory, 210 Ingram Avenue, Cumming, GA 30040entrusted with the arrangements. Though the cause isnt known, a persons risk for developing frontotemporal dementia wherein the frontal and temporal lobes of the brain shrink is higher if theres a family history of dementia, according to the Mayo Clinic. If God exists, he's the one that created a biological system that allows for something as horrific as dementia. I wonder why you would describe that as "great". That brief window was terrifying and heartbreaking. The difference in culture between the two teams was huge, it seemed to work out well in their case. How much data? That's chapter 28: "irrepressible: music and temporal lobes". I almost made all our customers write rules using it. FYI, preexisting conditions stopped being a major issue with heath insurance after the Affordable Care Act (Obama Care) got passed: I don't know if we can count on the ACA staying around forever. We got engaged in Rome. Because you are right next to the data you can get away with doing many thing you would have not otherwise. This attack involved a 'worst headache of my life' that was somewhat relieved by being horizontal. We have mammalian bodies and those structures inform our potentials. But I'm just remembering the highlights; if I try a little harder, I can start to remember other days when it wasn't so easy. Had same reaction when I saw Marc in the General Magic doc. Ive had a bad time lately with my attention span, some depression, etc. Ever since I have enabled night mode on my iPhone I find myself less distracted and getting better sleep. I remember he drove through at least a few red lights because he was in the zone deep in thought processing some coding concepts / business plans in his mind while driving. It's only possible if you have a lot of databases. And until we can create that map - and whether we can create that map ever is a question - but until I - we can create that map, I will certainly not be tested because it - that idea - I mean, that's, again, the center of the book. His parents eventually added an alarm that chimed loudly whenever the front door opened. What parts of the higher level application/platform utilize this part of the database that we want to change? She was puzzled, but between his migraines and his heart issue, there was always an explanation at hand. Lee Holloway III May 15, 1962 "January 31, 2008 Lee Holloway III, 46, of Waco passed away Thursday. He's still able to do a lot of the same things as always, but they seem to turn into reflexes and mannerisms. Love is patient,love is kind. No wonder useful body cells can be attacked producing a whole range of resulting diseases. Lots of people around him did. Firstly, I'd like to say that SPs can be quite awesome, for several of the reasons already stated. You can be shot in the head and survive with not much cognitive impairment, or you could hit your head against something and be unable to speak or feed yourself for the reset of your life. I wouldnt worry about it too much. Tragically, Lee stepped down from Cloudflare in 2016, suffering the debilitating effects of Frontotemporal Dementia, a rare neurological disease. Serious question -- I've done tons of database work but only a little bit with stored procedures, so wondering if I'm missing a crucial detail here. The Supreme Court chose not to. On average, even receiving a diagnosis takes 3.6 years. I think it altered and traumatized my wife's entire family in a way I'm not sure they understand or have dealt with. It was one giant program inside the database. that he'd carry around a mini, test Cloudflare wherever he went. Our ability to easily query the state of the body, to assess which functional components are working, and which need help, is dismal. And if the disease, for some time before it became debilitating, was almost a superpower. I was crushed. Decades later I watched my mother in law dissolve (and she was very much aware / terrified all the time) over the course of a decade. I can't imagine the tech periodicals are knocking down their doors to write stories like these. Hmm, I've experienced the same thing. Other uncategorized cookies are those that are being analyzed and have not been classified into a category as yet. I think about this one a lot, how easy it is for pattern recognition to misfire and synthesize conclusions and connections that are partially rational and correct, but with one bad piece of input data skewing them into fantasy. It's the "mental energy" that gets you off your ass. "_ indeed. I lived with him for maybe 5-6 years and he had to look up my Facebook profile and pictures to try to pick up on any nostalgia that might catalyze a memory. It's a very concrete book, and outlines a way to live with meaning without needing God (though totally compatible with faith). 2017-2023 Tribute Archive. I dont think its frustrating for him. He was a brilliant coder when he first started working with me out of college, but I think he really hit his peak ability to focus and do amazing things around 2014 right as we were rolling out Universal SSL. Everything was controlled by a single Postgres database that made very heavy use of stored procedures, that called other procedures, that called others. [S]omeone is himself because countless mental artifacts stay firm from one day to the next, anchoring that person's character over time. Cloud Unicorn. Brittle, expensive integration tests are not the same. Boring? It often requires both time and financial resources, especially if you plan to hire a writer.Today, we have SEMrush and Ahrefs are among the most popular tools in the SEO industry. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Things got from bad to worse in the Holloway home. The advantage of stored procedures there was that the organization's release process was so broken that it was much faster for sales and marketing to get features added by going through Carl, the DBA, instead of submitting the request to the dev team. Hope is good, but sugarcoated false hope isn't. Can we spin up a new DB instance, with the new sproc, and establish data replication/change resolution with the legacy system as we are rolling out the change? I find the Obamacare rule about preexisting conditions confusing. Exacerbated by his poor hearing. He stopped paying attention in meetings. But think its part of why Marcs story was so emotional for me. I have a bad habit of remembering a past that never was. At the time of the article, he was still alive, but was no longer able to talk or react much at all to his environment. The marketing industry is turning to artificial intelligence (AI) as a way to save time and execute smarter, more personalized campaigns. In fact, that's what kind of fooled me for a while. I'd be surprised if I had a blood sugar problem. He was a member of First Presbyterian Church and a professional sign painter. I should have been more specific with my hypothetical. And guilty. The devastating decline of Lee Holloway, one of the co-founders of Cloudflare Posted April 15, 2020 by Deimos Tags: cloudflare , mental health , lee holloway , frontotemporal dementia , diseases.neurodegenerative , author.sandra upson , long read , paywall I'm here with you, I still love the idea of software, but I can't get myself to sit there and code even the most fun projects. Not long after, Lee and Kristin took a trip to Europe, spending a few days in France, just as Lee and Alexandra had years earlier. I agree its something that we should continue researching, but I dont think its really fair to claim that doctors are apathetic to the issue. 6hrs/day in your 20s is different than 6hrs/day in your 30s. She worked with a landscape architect to tailor the outdoor space to Lee's needs. I was walking down a street in London when you called me to tell me about the diagnosis. I can imagine people replying "but clearly, you're doing things that you shouldn't be - that's not what SPs are for!". The last time I saw him while he was still speaking he is still alive but doesnt speak or seem to recognize me anymore he would repeat the same questions from the same conversation in the same order on a 30-minute loop. Execution plan caching: the way databases handle caching of SP execution plans leaves much to be desired - generally the first set of parameters that an SP gets called with end up determining the execution plan for all future calls. He graduated from Baylor University with multiple degrees. It was incredibly sad to watch. However, I dont think any of us thought it was a disease. Wired seemed appropriate given Lees love of technology. 2. He laid the groundwork for a system that now handles more than 10 percent of all internet requests andblocks billions of cyberthreatsper day. That would be like doing a gradual deploy of a schema migration. I can still (productively) spend hours on tinkering with SPICE simulations, soldering in-situ projects, and so on. Please accept Echovita's sincere condolences. It's a less crisp definition than the old idea of a soul, offering no firm threshold where selfhood breaks down. 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